Thomas GRIFFIN, 18161887 (aged 71 years)

Name
Thomas /GRIFFIN/
Birth
Note: Census records of 1861 and 1881 indicate that he was born about 1815, not in 1809 as had been reported on his death record. The Coolatin Estate Residents book puts his birth year as about 1816 as does his immigration record from Coolatin in 1851.
Fact
Photos of Griffin Home Place in Knocknaboley
Note: in 1989 on my first trip to Ireland I encountered a Mr Conway in a church graveyard near Tinahely. I asked if he knew where Knocknaboley was. He informed me that he knew where it was; that in fact he had been born in one of the three Griffin houses on Knocknaboley and he gave me directions to to the townland which I visited. In 2017, from land records in Dublin, I determined that my Griffin family had sold their old Griffin farm to the Conway family - so that the farmhouse Mr Conway was born in was the same as the birth home of my ancestors! Visiting Wicklow once again I found the ruins of the Griffin home again in 2017 and took these photos of the ruins and the land. (It is referred to as the Conway place by the locals.)
Death of a paternal grandfather
Note: The Tithe Applotment for Knocknaboley in 1824 lists John Griffin as John Griffin Reps - and has Thomas Griffin, William Griffin, and Thomas Darcy listed under John's name. This offers strong proof that Thomas and William Griffin were sons of old John Griffin.

The Tithe Applotment for Knocknaboley in 1824 lists John Griffin as John Griffin Reps - and has Thomas Griffin, William Griffin, and Thomas Darcy listed under John's name. This offers strong proof that Thomas and William Griffin were sons of old John Griffin.

Perhaps Thomas Darcy was old John's son-in-law. Some Darcys moved to Canada in the 1850s along with the Griffins and Saunders of Knocknaboley.

By 1834 John Griffin's name was replaced with the name of Thomas Griffin - probably his son. William Griffin does not appear on the lease rolls but is a resident of Knocknaboley and is listed as farming part of John Griffins old lease in the Resident List of 1839.

Note: This is a possible record of old John Griffin's death. Knocknaboley is in the Shillelagh Registration District.

This is a possible record of old John Griffin's death. Knocknaboley is in the Shillelagh Registration District.

Note: I believe this is a transcription error - the film states the Regisration was in 1925, not 1825.

Ireland, Civil Registration Deaths Index
Name: John Griffin
Estimated birth year: abt 1758
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1825
Death Age: 67
Registration district: Shillelagh
Volume: 2
Page: 636
FHL Film Number: 101736

Death of a father
Note: The 1839 Tenants Book for Knocknaboley on the Coolatin Estate shows that Thomas may have already died since his (assumed) wife Margaret and (assumed) brother William had taken over the Kemmitt/Griffin lease.

The 1839 Tenants Book for Knocknaboley on the Coolatin Estate shows that Thomas may have already died since his (assumed) wife Margaret and (assumed) brother William had taken over the Kemmitt/Griffin lease.

Thomas was also listed as the Griffin of Kemmitt,Griffin,Pollard Lease in 1843. That doesn't mean he was alive then as his wife Margaret had probably inherited the lease upon his death.

Thomas Griffin's name was replaced on the Lease in 1843, as is shown in the Modifications Section of the Rental Book of 1843.

Death of a mother
Note: Margaret Griffin, age 65, was living on the Kemmitt,Griffin,Pollard Lease in 1839 - a widow, according to the Account of Residents Book of the Coolatin Estate - MS 6082 of NLI. She had exactly 2 sons - presumably Peter and Thomas Griffin who took over the lease in Knocknaboley in 1843. Margaret probably had died by 1843.
Marriage
Birth of a son
Birth of a daughter
Residence
Note: Thomas Griffin(the elder) supplanted John Griffin on his lease in Knocknaboley by 1830. The following justifies the claim that he is our ancestor.

Thomas Griffin(the elder) supplanted John Griffin on his lease in Knocknaboley by 1830. The following justifies the claim that he is our ancestor.

In the 1839 Rental Book (NLI, MS 6082) Thomas Griffin's part of the lease was occupied by Margaret (30 acres) and William (20 acres). Margaret was probably Thomas' widow, age 65 with 2 sons and 1 daughter. William was 60 and had no wife and unknown children.

By 1848 Margaret and William were replaced by Peter and Thomas (junior) respectively. In fact the entries in 1848 were:

Peter Griffin, age 30, wife age 25, 1 son and 1 daughter.
Thomas Griffin, age 32, wife age 25, 1 son and 1 daughter.
and
Samuel Fisher, age 30, wife age 26.

The 1850 Tenant census was similar and shows Thomas' family just before they left for Canada. This record shows that this particular Thomas Griffin is the same man who moved to Durham Co Ontario in 1850, because Samuel Fisher gave his immigration ticket to Thomas, according to the Emigration records of the Coolatin Estate.

Property
Kemmitt/Griffin/Pollard Lease
1848 (aged 32 years)
Note: By 1848 Thomas and Peter Griffin assumed the old John Griffin portion of the lease on the Coolatin estate. They replaced Margaret Griffin and William Griffin respectively, who had replaced Thomas Griffin on the lease in the early 1840s. It is thought that Margaret was the wife of the elder Thomas and the mother of Peter and Thomas. William was the elder Thomas' brother.
Birth of a daughter
Immigration
May 30, 1851 (aged 35 years)
Note: Note: Transcribed from the manuscripts of the Fitzwilliam estate in the National Library of Ireland, as part of Jim Rees's research for his book, SURPLUS PEOPLE.

Note: Transcribed from the manuscripts of the Fitzwilliam estate in the National Library of Ireland, as part of Jim Rees's research for his book, SURPLUS PEOPLE.

Fitzwilliam Tenants - Family Group ID: 508
Parish Kilcommon
Year Listed: 1851
Surname Griffin
Reference No. 57
Group Members: Thomas 35, Jane 29, John 6, Margaret 4, Mary 2. Townland Knocknaboley

Original Record in National Library Ireland, MS 4975, EMIGRANTS ASSISTED 1851.

Thomas' family was listed along with his neighbor John Kimmitt. The Kimmitts and Griffins had shared a 100 acre farm lease for over 70 years in Knocknaboley.

Ship Glenlyon
Departure New Ross, Co Wexford, Ireland. April 15, 1851
Arrival Quebec. May 30, 1851
Holding Chest/Graves in side column.

Note: The GLENLYON, a ship of 909 tons, was built in Saint John New Brunswick, by Hugh Irvine and his brothers (?). She was launched in August 1841, and registered in November 1841, at first by R.D. Wilmot, and later in the month by Stephen and AugustusWiggins. Sold by the latter firm to London owners. Samuel Robert Graves registered the GLENLYON in Liverpool in 1851, but the next year re-registered her in Ross [Scotland] for other members of the Graves family. She was abandoned in a sinking state in January 1861, on a voyage from Savannah to Liverpool.
Birth of a son
Note: Thomas was probably born in Cartwright Township, Durham Co Ontario. His parents had immigrated from Ireland just a year before his birth and were living in Cartwright in the 1851 and 1861 censuses.
Birth of a son
Note: Entry from Record Book of St John's Parish, Blackpool, Cartwright Township found in the Anglican Archives in Toronto: Peter, son of Thomas and Jane Griffin, Cartwright, Farmer. Born Oct 24, 1855, Baptized June 7, 1856.

Entry from Record Book of St John's Parish, Blackpool, Cartwright Township found in the Anglican Archives in Toronto: Peter, son of Thomas and Jane Griffin, Cartwright, Farmer. Born Oct 24, 1855, Baptized June 7, 1856.

Marriage license also says he was born in Cartwright, which is also borne out by the census of 1861.

Residence
Address: Lot 3 Concession 2
Note: Extract from Archeologist's Report on Cartwright:

Extract from Archeologist's Report on Cartwright:

West Half of Lot 3 Conc 3

On March 30, 1855, William Darcy signed over the south 50 acres (~20 ha) of the west half of lot 3 to his sister-in-law, Catherine Darcy, who was the widow of his brother Benjamin (Deed #661). She immediately transferred the 50 acres to her son John who, for a number of years, rented it out to area farmers (Deed #663). The agricultural census for 1861 showed THOMAS GRIFFIN occupying and farming 30 (~12 ha) of the 50 acres (~20 ha) while later maps showed James Miller and later Peter Darcy as the occupants. On September 10 1864, John Darcy transferred ownership of the 50 acres to his brother Thomas (Deed #3800) who transferred it on October 7, 1869 to Alice Darcy. William Darcy held title to the north 50 acres (~20 ha) until his death on December 20, 1877 when he bequeathed it to his son Thomas (Will #1272). The census for 1851 shows the William Darcy family occupying a one-story log house and the agricultural census of 1861 shows both the north and south halves of the west half of lot 3. Thomas Darcy is shown as owning part of Lot 3, Concession 2. The northwest half of Lot 3 is owned by William Darcy and the southwest half of Lot 3 is owned by James Miller. No structures are indicated for the study area on the Tremaine map. The east half of Lot 3, Concession 3 is owned by James Saunders. No buildings are depicted on the 1861 Tremaine map.

Marriage of a daughter
Birth of a son
Property
Conc 13 Lot 22
1869 (aged 53 years)
Note: Thomas bought 1 acre of land in Howick Township, Huron County in 1869.
Residence
Note: The marriage record for John Griffin and Mary Giles indicates that either Thomas or John Griffin lived at Conc 13 Lot 22 in Huron Co.
Marriage of a son
Marriage of a daughter
Note: Name of Groom: John Dynes Age: 27 Residence: Twp. of Howick Place of Birth: Ireland Batchelor or Widower: Batchelor Rank or Profession: Farmer Parents: Richard and Ann Dynes Name of Bride: Mary Griffin Age: 25 Residence: Twp. of Howick Place of Birth: Ontario Spinster or Widow: S Parents: Thomas and Mary Ann Griffin Witnesses: Thomas Griffin of Howick Jane Milne of Howick Date and Place of Marriage: 10 November 1875, in Gorrie Religious Denomination of Groom: Methodist Religious Denomination of Bride: Methodist Married by Whom: Rev. E. Kershaw By License or Banns: L [from Public Archives of Ontario microfilm MS-932, Reel-17, Co. of Huron, Div'n. of Howick, pg 514, Reg'n. No. 003-786]
 Name of Groom: John Dynes Age: 27 Residence: Twp. of Howick Place of Birth: Ireland Batchelor or Widower: Batchelor Rank or Profession: Farmer Parents: Richard and Ann Dynes Name of Bride: Mary Griffin Age: 25 Residence: Twp. of Howick Place of Birth: Ontario Spinster or Widow: S Parents: Thomas and Mary Ann Griffin Witnesses: Thomas Griffin of Howick                   Jane Milne of Howick Date and Place of Marriage: 10 November 1875,                                                in Gorrie Religious Denomination of Groom: Methodist Religious Denomination of Bride: Methodist Married by Whom: Rev. E. Kershaw By License or Banns: L  [from Public Archives of Ontario microfilm MS-932,  Reel-17, Co. of Huron, Div'n. of Howick, pg 514,  Reg'n. No. 003-786]
Marriage of a son
Marriage of a son
Death
Family with parents
father
17801839
Birth: about 1780 30 Knocknaboley, Wicklow, Ireland
Death: before 1839Knocknaboley, Wicklow, Ireland
mother
himself
TomGriffinSr.jpg
18161887
Birth: about 1816 36 Knocknaboley Wicklow Ireland
Death: July 29, 1887Howick Township, Huron Co, Ontario Canada
-23 months
elder brother
18131890
Birth: about 1813 33 Knocknaboley, Wicklow, Ireland
Death: August 4, 1890Knocknaboley, Wicklow, Ireland
Family with Jane SAUNDERS
himself
TomGriffinSr.jpg
18161887
Birth: about 1816 36 Knocknaboley Wicklow Ireland
Death: July 29, 1887Howick Township, Huron Co, Ontario Canada
wife
JaneSaunders.jpg
18211890
Birth: about 1821 30 24 Wicklow, Ireland
Death: after 1890
Marriage MarriageApril 11, 1844Co Wicklow, Ireland
10 months
son
johngriffinCropped.jpg
18451922
Birth: February 5, 1845 29 24 Co Wicklow, Ireland
Death: November 23, 1922Crookston, Polk, MN
22 months
daughter
18461920
Birth: November 17, 1846 30 25
Death: April 29, 1920Fordwich, Huron County Ontario
3 years
daughter
18491936
Birth: June 8, 1849 33 28 Co Wicklow, Ireland
Death: November 6, 1936Cavalier Co, ND
3 years
son
tgriffin.jpg
18521924
Birth: March 19, 1852 36 31 Durham Co, Ontario, Canada
Death: January 13, 1924Grand Forks, North Dakota
3 years
son
petergriffin.jpg
18541912
Birth: October 24, 1854 38 33 Cartwright, Durham Co, Ont, Canada
Death: March 27, 1912North Dakota
12 years
son
18661930
Birth: May 31, 1866 50 45
Death: February 21, 1930Chippewa Co, MI
Marriage
Birth

Census records of 1861 and 1881 indicate that he was born about 1815, not in 1809 as had been reported on his death record. The Coolatin Estate Residents book puts his birth year as about 1816 as does his immigration record from Coolatin in 1851.

Residence

Thomas Griffin(the elder) supplanted John Griffin on his lease in Knocknaboley by 1830. The following justifies the claim that he is our ancestor.

In the 1839 Rental Book (NLI, MS 6082) Thomas Griffin's part of the lease was occupied by Margaret (30 acres) and William (20 acres). Margaret was probably Thomas' widow, age 65 with 2 sons and 1 daughter. William was 60 and had no wife and unknown children.

By 1848 Margaret and William were replaced by Peter and Thomas (junior) respectively. In fact the entries in 1848 were:

Peter Griffin, age 30, wife age 25, 1 son and 1 daughter.
Thomas Griffin, age 32, wife age 25, 1 son and 1 daughter.
and
Samuel Fisher, age 30, wife age 26.

The 1850 Tenant census was similar and shows Thomas' family just before they left for Canada. This record shows that this particular Thomas Griffin is the same man who moved to Durham Co Ontario in 1850, because Samuel Fisher gave his immigration ticket to Thomas, according to the Emigration records of the Coolatin Estate.

Property

By 1848 Thomas and Peter Griffin assumed the old John Griffin portion of the lease on the Coolatin estate. They replaced Margaret Griffin and William Griffin respectively, who had replaced Thomas Griffin on the lease in the early 1840s. It is thought that Margaret was the wife of the elder Thomas and the mother of Peter and Thomas. William was the elder Thomas' brother.

Immigration

Note: Transcribed from the manuscripts of the Fitzwilliam estate in the National Library of Ireland, as part of Jim Rees's research for his book, SURPLUS PEOPLE.

Fitzwilliam Tenants - Family Group ID: 508
Parish Kilcommon
Year Listed: 1851
Surname Griffin
Reference No. 57
Group Members: Thomas 35, Jane 29, John 6, Margaret 4, Mary 2. Townland Knocknaboley

Original Record in National Library Ireland, MS 4975, EMIGRANTS ASSISTED 1851.

Thomas' family was listed along with his neighbor John Kimmitt. The Kimmitts and Griffins had shared a 100 acre farm lease for over 70 years in Knocknaboley.

Ship Glenlyon
Departure New Ross, Co Wexford, Ireland. April 15, 1851
Arrival Quebec. May 30, 1851
Holding Chest/Graves in side column.

The GLENLYON, a ship of 909 tons, was built in Saint John New Brunswick, by Hugh Irvine and his brothers (?). She was launched in August 1841, and registered in November 1841, at first by R.D. Wilmot, and later in the month by Stephen and AugustusWiggins. Sold by the latter firm to London owners. Samuel Robert Graves registered the GLENLYON in Liverpool in 1851, but the next year re-registered her in Ross [Scotland] for other members of the Graves family. She was abandoned in a sinking state in January 1861, on a voyage from Savannah to Liverpool.

Residence

Extract from Archeologist's Report on Cartwright:

West Half of Lot 3 Conc 3

On March 30, 1855, William Darcy signed over the south 50 acres (~20 ha) of the west half of lot 3 to his sister-in-law, Catherine Darcy, who was the widow of his brother Benjamin (Deed #661). She immediately transferred the 50 acres to her son John who, for a number of years, rented it out to area farmers (Deed #663). The agricultural census for 1861 showed THOMAS GRIFFIN occupying and farming 30 (~12 ha) of the 50 acres (~20 ha) while later maps showed James Miller and later Peter Darcy as the occupants. On September 10 1864, John Darcy transferred ownership of the 50 acres to his brother Thomas (Deed #3800) who transferred it on October 7, 1869 to Alice Darcy. William Darcy held title to the north 50 acres (~20 ha) until his death on December 20, 1877 when he bequeathed it to his son Thomas (Will #1272). The census for 1851 shows the William Darcy family occupying a one-story log house and the agricultural census of 1861 shows both the north and south halves of the west half of lot 3. Thomas Darcy is shown as owning part of Lot 3, Concession 2. The northwest half of Lot 3 is owned by William Darcy and the southwest half of Lot 3 is owned by James Miller. No structures are indicated for the study area on the Tremaine map. The east half of Lot 3, Concession 3 is owned by James Saunders. No buildings are depicted on the 1861 Tremaine map.

Property

Thomas bought 1 acre of land in Howick Township, Huron County in 1869.

Residence

The marriage record for John Griffin and Mary Giles indicates that either Thomas or John Griffin lived at Conc 13 Lot 22 in Huron Co.

Fact

in 1989 on my first trip to Ireland I encountered a Mr Conway in a church graveyard near Tinahely. I asked if he knew where Knocknaboley was. He informed me that he knew where it was; that in fact he had been born in one of the three Griffin houses on Knocknaboley and he gave me directions to to the townland which I visited. In 2017, from land records in Dublin, I determined that my Griffin family had sold their old Griffin farm to the Conway family - so that the farmhouse Mr Conway was born in was the same as the birth home of my ancestors! Visiting Wicklow once again I found the ruins of the Griffin home again in 2017 and took these photos of the ruins and the land. (It is referred to as the Conway place by the locals.)

Media object

The Griffins had a longterm lease on lots 118-138 in the townland.

Shared note

EVERETT Bolstad letter dated Aug 27, 2002 states that his funeral was at the
Congregational Church in Howick.

Everett found a microfilm of death registrations - says that he died after
being ill for 4 weeks.

1881 census in Howick (Huron North) Ontario list Thomas age 65, Jane age 60 and Albert age 15.
Thomas and Jane b in Ireland, Albert in Ontario.

Note

1861 census record for Durham Co ONT, living next door to James Saunders family.

Name Place Gender Occupation Birth Place Age
Thomas Griffin Cartwright m farmer - 47
Jane Griffin Cartwright f - - 39
John Griffin Cartwright m labourer - 16
Margaret Griffin Cartwright f - - 14
Mary Griffin Cartwright f - - 12
Thomas Griffin Cartwright m - Canada West 9
Peter Griffin Cartwright m - Canada West 6

Note

1851 Census Cartwright Township, Durham Co, Ontario
page 47

Thomas Griffin 56?? Ireland English Church
Jane Griffin 28
John Griffin 6
Margaret Griffin 4
Mary Ann 2
All born in Ireland.
Living in "log shanty."

Note

The National Library of Ireland has many records from the Coolatin Estate that have been sifted and studied to produce the following description of the Griffin and Saunders families in Knocknaboley, County Wicklow.

Thomas Griffin and Jane Saunders came from the townland of Knocknaboley, County Wicklow - NW of the city of Tinahely. Thomas and his brother Peter evidently inherited the Griffin share of a lease from the Coolatin Estate about 1844. Peter actually took over a share of the "Kemmitt,Griffin,Pollard" lease of 100 acres that had originated by the 1770s on the Estate. John Griffin and his partner Thomas Kemmitt had a lease from as early as 1778, as recorded in 1796 in the Coolatin Estate Records. (NLI MS 6015 book.) In the 1820s John Griffin was replaced on the lease by Thomas Griffin, who was likely the father of both Thomas and Peter Griffin. Thomas the elder likely died circa 1840. In 1850 Thomas Griffin (the younger) elected to immigrate to Canada with other Coolatin Estate renters from Knocknaboley, including his in-laws, rather than stay in Wicklow.

Thomas and Jane sailed on the ship GlenLyon from New Ross Ireland to Quebec in 1851. They settled in Cartwright Township, Durham County Ontario. Their neighbors included the Darcy families and the family of Jane's parents, James and Mary Saunders, who had immigrated also. James gave over the lease of 12 Irish acres in Knocknaboley to a man named John Griffin before 1850, but it is not known when James' family came to Canada.

According to Canadian censuses, and the HURON COUTY HISTORICAL ATLAS, Thomas and Jane moved on to Howick Township of Huron County in 1863, but James Saunders and his family remained in Cartwright until his death in 1876.