Griffin/Saunders Family of Knocknaboley Wicklow

Thomas GRIFFINAge: 59 years1780–1839

Name: Thomas GRIFFIN

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Birth	about 1780 30 Knocknaboley, Wicklow, Ireland
Birth of a son #1	Peter GRIFFIN about 1813 (Age 33 years) Knocknaboley, Wicklow, Ireland Shared note: Based on burial record and Coolatin Estate record of 1868.
Birth of a son #2	Thomas GRIFFIN about 1816 (Age 36 years) Knocknaboley Wicklow Ireland Shared note: Census records of 1861 and 1881 indicate that he was born about 1815, not in 1809 as had been reported on his death record. The Coolatin Estate Residents book puts his birth year as about 1816 as does his immigration record from Coolatin in 1851. Road sign to Knocknaboley, Wicklow -Thomas' birthplace One of the Ruined Griffin Houses in Knocknaboley, 1989
Death of a father	John GRIFFIN before 1834 (Age 54 years) Knocknaboley, Wicklow, Ireland Shared note: The Tithe Applotment for Knocknaboley in 1824 lists John Griffin as John Griffin Reps - and has Tho… The Tithe Applotment for Knocknaboley in 1824 lists John Griffin as John Griffin Reps - and has Thomas Griffin, William Griffin, and Thomas Darcy listed under John's name. This offers strong proof that Thomas and William Griffin were sons of old John Griffin. Perhaps Thomas Darcy was old John's son-in-law. Some Darcys moved to Canada in the 1850s along with the Griffins and Saunders of Knocknaboley. By 1834 John Griffin's name was replaced with the name of Thomas Griffin - probably his son. William Griffin does not appear on the lease rolls but is a resident of Knocknaboley and is listed as farming part of John Griffins old lease in the Resident List of 1839. This is a possible record of old John Griffin's death. Knocknaboley is in the Shillelagh Registration District. Note: I believe this is a transcription error - the film states the Regisration was in 1925, not 1825. Ireland, Civil Registration Deaths Index Name: John Griffin Estimated birth year: abt 1758 Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1825 Death Age: 67 Registration district: Shillelagh Volume: 2 Page: 636 FHL Film Number: 101736 Tithe Applotment for Knocknaboley in 1824
Census	yes Shared note: (The conclusion that the father of Thomas Griffin(born 1815) was Thomas Griffin(born 1780) is NOT ab… (The conclusion that the father of Thomas Griffin(born 1815) was Thomas Griffin(born 1780) is NOT absolutely proved. It is the best estimate of three possible fathers, Thomas Griffin, John Griffin and William Griffin - all of Knocknaboley. The conclusion was essentially based on land records from the Coolatin Estate, not on birth or baptism records which have been destroyed.) Thomas Griffin and Peter Griffin took over the Coolatin Estate's Kemmitt,Griffin,Pollard lease from a Thomas Griffin in 1843 in Knocknaboley. So it is assumed that Thomas and Peter's father was Thomas Griffin. Thomas and his wife Jane Saunders named their third son Peter. The Tithe Applotment reoords show that a man named John Griffin lived in Knocknaboley in the 1820s. The "House Books" for Knocknaboley in 1840s shows that a John Griffin had moved into the Saunders former house. Since Thomas GRIFFIN married Jane SAUNDERS in 1844 in Knocknaboley and named their first son John, it is possible that the father of Thomas Griffin was John Griffin - probably the son of Richard Griffin who had lived on the townland since (at least) 1803. However, this John Griffin took over several unrelated pieces of land in the 1840s - so it is entirely possible that there was no family significance to him taking over the Saunders lease. Finally, Thomas Griffin, in 1848, occupied 20 acres of the Kemmitt,Griffin,Pollard lease - which in 1843 had been occupied by old William Griffin, probably son of old John Griffin. Thomas never named any of his children William, but did name one son Peter and a daughter Margaret (probable name of Thomas' widow), so it is likely that Thomas had simply taken over his Uncle William's portion of the lease. Also, the Tenant censuses of 1827 and 1843 seem to indicate that William had no children. In any case it is almost certain that Thomas Griffin's grandfather was old John Griffin who had been the original Griffin of the Kemmitt,Griffin lease of the 1770s on the Coolatin Estate. Tithe Applotment for Knocknaboley in 1824
Rebellion 1798	Wicklow, Ireland Shared note: It appears that the United Irishmen Rebellion in Wicklow engulfed the peaceful hills of Knocknaboley… It appears that the United Irishmen Rebellion in Wicklow engulfed the peaceful hills of Knocknaboley. John Griffin and Thomas Griffin were great grandfather and grandfather of Thomas Griffin of Rye, ND, our ancestor. The following comes from the CD of Cantwell's 1798 Rebellion, claims and compensation: John Griffin, farmer Knockaboley, claim for house, heifer, provisions and set of bagpipes 31 Pounds, 14 shillings and sixpence, no payment noted. Richard Griffin, Knockaboley, Claim: horse, provisions, cloaths, cash 13/14/11 paid in full Thomas Griffin, Knockaboley, Claim, house burned, provisions and saddle 20/5/5 no pymt.noted Thomas Darcy, Knocknaboley, (later sublet under John Griffin), Claim, house, barn cloathes, horses, furniture.
_PHOTO	List of All Lessors/Residents on Knocknaboley in 1827
Death	before 1839 (Age 59 years) Knocknaboley, Wicklow, Ireland Shared note: The 1839 Tenants Book for Knocknaboley on the Coolatin Estate shows that Thomas may have already die… The 1839 Tenants Book for Knocknaboley on the Coolatin Estate shows that Thomas may have already died since his (assumed) wife Margaret and (assumed) brother William had taken over the Kemmitt/Griffin lease. Thomas was also listed as the Griffin of Kemmitt,Griffin,Pollard Lease in 1843. That doesn't mean he was alive then as his wife Margaret had probably inherited the lease upon his death. Thomas Griffin's name was replaced on the Lease in 1843, as is shown in the Modifications Section of the Rental Book of 1843. Tenants on Kemmitt/Griffin/Pollard Lease in 1839 Modifications To Coolatin Rentals 1843-44

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father	Ancestors Compact tree Descendants Family book Hourglass chart Interactive tree Pedigree Pedigree map Relationships Family with spouse Thomas GRIFFIN William GRIFFIN John GRIFFIN Birth: about 1750 Death: before 1834 — Knocknaboley, Wicklow, Ireland
himself	Ancestors Compact tree Descendants Family book Hourglass chart Interactive tree Pedigree Pedigree map Relationships Family with spouse Margaret … Thomas GRIFFIN Peter GRIFFIN Thomas GRIFFIN Birth: about 1780 30 — Knocknaboley, Wicklow, Ireland Death: before 1839 — Knocknaboley, Wicklow, Ireland
elder brother	Ancestors Compact tree Descendants Family book Hourglass chart Interactive tree Pedigree Pedigree map Relationships William GRIFFIN Birth: about 1779 29 Death: before 1848

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himself	Ancestors Compact tree Descendants Family book Hourglass chart Interactive tree Pedigree Pedigree map Relationships Family with spouse Margaret … Thomas GRIFFIN Peter GRIFFIN Thomas GRIFFIN Birth: about 1780 30 — Knocknaboley, Wicklow, Ireland Death: before 1839 — Knocknaboley, Wicklow, Ireland
wife	Ancestors Compact tree Descendants Family book Hourglass chart Interactive tree Pedigree Pedigree map Relationships Family with spouse Thomas GRIFFIN Thomas GRIFFIN Peter GRIFFIN Margaret … Death: after 1839 — Knocknaboley, Wicklow, Ireland
son	Ancestors Compact tree Descendants Family book Hourglass chart Interactive tree Pedigree Pedigree map Relationships Family with spouse Jane SAUNDERS John GRIFFIN Margaret Jane GRIFFIN Mary Ann GRIFFIN Thomas GRIFFIN Peter GRIFFIN Albert James GRIFFIN Thomas GRIFFIN Birth: about 1816 36 — Knocknaboley Wicklow Ireland Death: July 29, 1887 — Howick Township, Huron Co, Ontario Canada
-2 years son	Ancestors Compact tree Descendants Family book Hourglass chart Interactive tree Pedigree Pedigree map Relationships Family with spouse Catherine HENNESY Thomas GRIFFIN Susan GRIFFIN John GRIFFIN Mary Anne GRIFFIN Peter GRIFFIN Peter GRIFFIN Birth: about 1813 33 — Knocknaboley, Wicklow, Ireland Death: August 4, 1890 — Knocknaboley, Wicklow, Ireland

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Census View	(The conclusion that the father of Thomas Griffin(born 1815) was Thomas Griffin(born 1780) is NOT absolutely proved. It is the best estimate of three possible fathers, Thomas Griffin, John Griffin and William Griffin - all of Knocknaboley. The conclusion was essentially based on land records from the Coolatin Estate, not on birth or baptism records which have been destroyed.) Thomas Griffin and Peter Griffin took over the Coolatin Estate's Kemmitt,Griffin,Pollard lease from a Thomas Griffin in 1843 in Knocknaboley. So it is assumed that Thomas and Peter's father was Thomas Griffin. Thomas and his wife Jane Saunders named their third son Peter. The Tithe Applotment reoords show that a man named John Griffin lived in Knocknaboley in the 1820s. The "House Books" for Knocknaboley in 1840s shows that a John Griffin had moved into the Saunders former house. Since Thomas GRIFFIN married Jane SAUNDERS in 1844 in Knocknaboley and named their first son John, it is possible that the father of Thomas Griffin was John Griffin - probably the son of Richard Griffin who had lived on the townland since (at least) 1803. However, this John Griffin took over several unrelated pieces of land in the 1840s - so it is entirely possible that there was no family significance to him taking over the Saunders lease. Finally, Thomas Griffin, in 1848, occupied 20 acres of the Kemmitt,Griffin,Pollard lease - which in 1843 had been occupied by old William Griffin, probably son of old John Griffin. Thomas never named any of his children William, but did name one son Peter and a daughter Margaret (probable name of Thomas' widow), so it is likely that Thomas had simply taken over his Uncle William's portion of the lease. Also, the Tenant censuses of 1827 and 1843 seem to indicate that William had no children. In any case it is almost certain that Thomas Griffin's grandfather was old John Griffin who had been the original Griffin of the Kemmitt,Griffin lease of the 1770s on the Coolatin Estate.
Rebellion 1798	It appears that the United Irishmen Rebellion in Wicklow engulfed the peaceful hills of Knocknaboley. John Griffin and Thomas Griffin were great grandfather and grandfather of Thomas Griffin of Rye, ND, our ancestor. The following comes from the CD of Cantwell's 1798 Rebellion, claims and compensation: John Griffin, farmer Knockaboley, claim for house, heifer, provisions and set of bagpipes 31 Pounds, 14 shillings and sixpence, no payment noted. Richard Griffin, Knockaboley, Claim: horse, provisions, cloaths, cash 13/14/11 paid in full Thomas Griffin, Knockaboley, Claim, house burned, provisions and saddle 20/5/5 no pymt.noted Thomas Darcy, Knocknaboley, (later sublet under John Griffin), Claim, house, barn cloathes, horses, furniture.
Death View	The 1839 Tenants Book for Knocknaboley on the Coolatin Estate shows that Thomas may have already died since his (assumed) wife Margaret and (assumed) brother William had taken over the Kemmitt/Griffin lease. Thomas was also listed as the Griffin of Kemmitt,Griffin,Pollard Lease in 1843. That doesn't mean he was alive then as his wife Margaret had probably inherited the lease upon his death. Thomas Griffin's name was replaced on the Lease in 1843, as is shown in the Modifications Section of the Rental Book of 1843.
Shared note	The Tithe Applotment reoords show that Thomas Griffin lived in Knocknaboley in 1824 on the lease "owned" by John Griffin since the 1770s. It is likely that Thomas was the son of John Griffin, an original lessor on the Coolatin Estate in Knocknaboley. John Griffin had two co-lessors named Kimmitt and Pollard. Evidently Thomas' wife was named Margaret since, in the 1839 Residents Book for the estate, his name does not appear but Margaret Griffin's name does. The lease was taken up by Peter Griffin in 1843, providing some indication that Peter was Thomas' son.

Census	Tithe Applotment for Knocknaboley in 1824 Format: image/jpeg Image dimensions: 1,390 × 2,343 pixels File size: 1,040 KB
Death	Tenants on Kemmitt/Griffin/Pollard Lease in 1839 Format: image/jpeg Image dimensions: 2,146 × 684 pixels File size: 404 KB
Death	Modifications To Coolatin Rentals 1843-44 Format: application/pdf File size: 679 KB
Media object	List of All Lessors/Residents on Knocknaboley in 1827 Format: application/pdf File size: 3,425 KB